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Please STOP SHOUTING!!!
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Has anyone else noticed that there seem to be a great number of people SHOUTING these days?!? Please, to those of you who do, just a reminder, that writing in upper case is considered shouting and bad manners. It also makes it harder to read mail. I don’t mean to sound stuffy but I now have a headache after doing a catch up session! Thanks Alyson
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"Has anyone else noticed that there seem to be a great number of people SHOUTING these days?!? " I second that!!! There are also an inordinate number of people who do not use complete sentences, no capital letters at the beginning of sentences and no punctuation! If you can’t express a complete thought how can you expect people to respond? I usually only post privately, but this has been very tiresome lately.
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I second that!!! There are also an inordinate number of people who do not use complete sentences, no capital letters at the beginning of sentences and no punctuation! If you can’t express a complete thought how can you expect people to respond? I usually only post privately, but this has been very tiresome lately.
This newsgroup is about women supporting one another through the hardships of infertility. It is NOT about perfect grammar, dotting the I’s, and crossing the T’s. There are many women here who are from countries other than America and maybe do not speak English all that well. Try having some patience and remember the real reason we are here. Lighten up and don’t sweat the small stuff!! Sorry if you think I am being hard on you, but think about what you are saying.
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I agree that it is very difficult and rough on the eyes to read all caps. However, the AOL Community Guidelines brings up an interesting point (I know this isn’t AOL here, but…): "Shouting online (typing in all capital letters LIKE THIS) is considered by some to be rude and difficult to read. To others, especially individuals with some types of disabilities, typing in all caps (or in all lower case) is a necessity. Using the shift key can be a struggle for a lot of folks…." My husband is diasbled (has full use of only 1 hand), and I was getting annoyed at his poor use of caps and implied poor grammar (he uses all lower case), whenever he’d email me. I didn’t realize, until reading the abovequoted AOL Guidelines, that he might have a problem using the shift key! Sure enough, I asked him about it and that was, in fact, the case! -K
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I appreciate that we are not running a school for English and this I feel is not the point. I just felt that I had to say something after a long catch up session which caused a nasty headache which I felt was due to so many of the posts being in caps. If I remember correctly, it is in the netiquette? Alyson
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I agree that it is very difficult and rough on the eyes to read all caps. However, the AOL Community Guidelines brings up an interesting point (I know this isn’t AOL here, but…): "Shouting online (typing in all capital letters LIKE THIS) is considered by some to be rude and difficult to read. To others, especially individuals with some types of disabilities, typing in all caps (or in all lower case) is a necessity. Using the shift key can be a struggle for a lot of folks…." My husband is diasbled (has full use of only 1 hand), and I was getting annoyed at his poor use of caps and implied poor grammar (he uses all lower case), whenever he’d email me. I didn’t realize, until reading the abovequoted AOL Guidelines, that he might have a problem using the shift key! Sure enough, I asked him about it and that was, in fact, the case! -K
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8< If I remember correctly, it is in the netiquette?
Yes you are right!Petra
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Please stop making corrections in the grammar of the newsgroup people. we are not all english speaking and we try to do our best to be understood. Do you not believe that everyone here has bigger problems than complaining about the grammar of this NG. I agree, that it should be known that writing in upper case means SHOUTING, but that has nothing to do with the grammar of the postings. any troubles with my grammar, we could start to comunicate in german :-))) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Has anyone else noticed that there seem to be a great number of people SHOUTING these days?!? " I second that!!! There are also an inordinate number of people who do not use complete sentences, no capital letters at the beginning of sentences and no punctuation! If you can’t express a complete thought how can you expect people to respond? I usually only post privately, but this has been very tiresome lately.
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"Shouting online (typing in all capital letters LIKE THIS) is considered by some to be rude and difficult to read.
It also looks like the person doesn’t know what they’re doing. (A NettiHick?) It appears that they haven’t learned the internet ropes, either through laziness or ignorance. Most of us try to avoid appearing that way. AH NOSE AH SHORE NUFF DO! To others, especially individuals with some types of disabilities, typing in all caps (or in all lower case) is a necessity. Using the shift key can be a struggle for a lot of folks…."
For those using Windows- there’s a one-handed shifting method called STICKY CAPS Basically, when you hit the shift key, the next key you strike will be capitalized. "Look Ma, NO SHOUTING!" GoTo Start Settings Control Panel Add/Remove Programs Windows Setup Accessibility Options -installing the options requires your original software, natch Those who do (and do not) speak English as a first language may want to increase their readibility and credibility with a run through a spell checker, which some newsreaders are building into their software. (Microsoft’s Outlook Express is one free option for this) Don’t know that grammar checkers are all that easily found, though. The first conclusion when reading anything written poorly in any language is- This is poorly written. The first association with poor writing is a lack of education/intelligence. That’s a risk someone *writing* in a second language assumes when they choose to write in that language. (One way to mitigate that risk is to add some notation in your sig file. Suddenly, the writer goes from "Hick?" to "WOW!") [This... er, *this* is italics, but it's a pain, and I usually PREFER to YELL instead of italicizing... ] I’m reminded of the automobile frame manufacturer whose slogan "Body by Fisher" worked fine in English. The Spanish, "Corpse by Fisher" did *not* help sales… — Karan Davis Harp http://members.tripod.com/~laughlines/index.html
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The first conclusion when reading anything written poorly in any language is- This is poorly written. The first association with poor writing is a lack of education/intelligence.
You are really poor, if you judge people by their grammar! sorry, but in my opinion you are not very tolerant. Sandra – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s a risk someone *writing* in a second language assumes when they choose to write in that language. (One way to mitigate that risk is to add some notation in your sig file. Suddenly, the writer goes from "Hick?" to "WOW!") [This... er, *this* is italics, but it's a pain, and I usually PREFER to YELL instead of italicizing... ] — Karan Davis Harp http://members.tripod.com/~laughlines/index.html
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Quit blowing it out of proportion….. Sorry, had to throw in my 2 cents…… Yolonda
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The first conclusion when reading anything written poorly in any language is- This is poorly written. The first association with poor writing is a lack of education/intelligence. You are really poor, if you judge people by their grammar! sorry, but in my opinion you are not very tolerant. Sandra
Karan didn’t say she felt this way; she was explaining how poor writing *might* be interpreted. Believe me, I know Karan and she’s pretty tolerant! Vikki M. http://users.gibralter.net/~vikbill
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The first conclusion when reading anything written poorly in any language is- This is poorly written. The first association with poor writing is a lack of education/intelligence. You are really poor, if you judge people by their grammar! sorry, but in my opinion you are not very tolerant. Sandra
I don’t think Karan was judging. I think she was just pointing out that the tendency is to assume that poorly-written posts come from the fingers of uneducated people. That’s more of an observation than a judgment. I am a terminologist who works with a lot of translators and linguists, and I can usually tell the difference between a poorly-written post by a native speaker and a post written by someone speaking English as a second language. By the way, Sandra, your English is excellent! 
Paula
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Let’s not forget that some people just can’t type very well, they don’t read what they’ve written, or they get so excited in their message their fingers get crossed. (don’t forget all the dyslexic people out there, who have a tough enough time as it is) This is not English class folks and we shouldn’t be graded on conversational English. (sorry to offend all with the mutlitude of punctuation errors – I am aware of them, just too lazy to fix) But as to the all caps. I think most people would rather read all lower case instead of upper case, in case you have a real typing problem. It’s much easier on the eyes, in my opinion. Stephanie
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Thanks for clarifying that, Vikki. You are right, as usual. I would think the spirit of my remarks would be evident in the rest of the content of the post. Some people are just quick to judge people in the poorest light. You are really poor, if you judge people by their grammar! sorry, but in my opinion you are not very tolerant. Sandra Karan didn’t say she felt this way; she was explaining how poor writing *might* be interpreted. Believe me, I know Karan and she’s pretty tolerant! Vikki M.
– Karan Davis Harp http://members.tripod.com/~laughlines/index.html