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A handy comeback
Question:
"I’ve never seen you with a woman. Are you gay?" "I’ve never seen you read a book. Are you illiterate?"
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"Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1125027267.103446.249230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > "I’ve never seen you with a woman. Are you gay?" > "I’ve never seen you read a book. Are you illiterate?"
That’s pretty good, although I think illiteracy is more socially acceptable than homosexuality at the moment.
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Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in news:Xns96BEA6C6244Dlrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6: > "Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1125027267.103446.249230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: >> "I’ve never seen you with a woman. Are you gay?" >> "I’ve never seen you read a book. Are you illiterate?" > That’s pretty good, although I think illiteracy is more socially > acceptable than homosexuality at the moment.
Definitely. What good is literacy if you’re a fucking homo? You need to read the text on gay porn sites? Homophobia is on the rise in popular culture, I think.
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William wrote… > Homophobia is on the rise in popular culture, I think.
How? And why do you think that is?
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"Eve de Villette" <unbroken…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1125058882.980750.86740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > William wrote… >> Homophobia is on the rise in popular culture, I think. > How? And why do you think that is?
It’s just an intuition. An example would be in recent movies like Wedding Crashers where you have a gay character with no redeeming features and whose purpose is to provide "you’re a homo!" gags. Or all the "I know you’re gay because" stuff in 40 Year Old Virgin. It’s not that homosexuality is being poked fun at, it’s that it seems like most often it is fun entirely as a stereotype with no intelligence or sympathy. It’s like now if there is a gay character in something it’s always a stock stereotype, and not someone who’s gay among other stuff. It also might be my imagination, in other internet places I’ve been, it seems like there isn’t any serious opposition to people calling each other faggot and such, where I think there used to be quite a bit 10 years ago. (This ould be an indication of the internet being more like the mainstream though.) For why (if it’s even true) there is a bit of a depressing rise in religious fundamentalism, around this half of the world anyway. It could be related to that. Perspective of course is that pretty recently (was it in the 1970s?) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder that required treatment or medication according to DSM.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -William P wrote: > Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in > news:Xns96BEA6C6244Dlrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6: > > "Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in > > news:1125027267.103446.249230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > >> "I’ve never seen you with a woman. Are you gay?" > >> "I’ve never seen you read a book. Are you illiterate?" > > That’s pretty good, although I think illiteracy is more socially > > acceptable than homosexuality at the moment. > Definitely. What good is literacy if you’re a fucking homo? You need to > read the text on gay porn sites? > Homophobia is on the rise in popular culture, I think.
Don’t think so.. it’s just that people are less concious about talking about it, especially on the net. And more threatend by it (will explain). I’m sure well over 50% of the population is to some extent "homophobic" – and by it i mean primarily fear not hate of – (anyone who is bothered/insulted by the possiblity of being labeled gay here is, imo), so it’s not abnormal, it’s just to what extent media/education is able to control the public’s stance on the issue. As groups try to push homosexualy on an equality level with sexuality (legally/socially), they’ll hit a brick wall. Because people’s tolerance to homosexuality is not based on "it’s normal" (many people including me, why not be frank, don’t think that), but on "it’s their buisness and dosen’t hurt anyone". But people’s position on heterosexuality, and society’s protection/legal rights of such couples is based on the need to reproduce/protect/raise children, and ultimatly survival of the species (even if that’s not always conscious). So it’s natural that people as a group will have a very strong reaction to percieved threats to that. Two total different things – so it’s no wonder the more groups try to push "equality" between straight and gay couples (legally / with respect to their "right" to raise children, etc..), the more this changes people’s opinion on homosexuality’s harmlesess, and will trigger this society’s defense mechanism that is ultimately homophobia – people’s natural "alarm bells" go off. (ofc when they do in someone’s that crazy and don’t use reason, they’re going to do crazy things, but homophobia in itself is not crazy not even abnormal) People call it homophobia to use it as a persuasion weapon, but a phobia is really a fear that *hurts the one that has it* in some way, upsets his normal ability to function, like Social Phobia for example.. which is not the case.
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"William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96BE87F68AD53willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Eve de Villette" <unbroken…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1125058882.980750.86740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> William wrote… >>> Homophobia is on the rise in popular culture, I think. >> How? And why do you think that is? > It’s just an intuition. An example would be in recent movies like > Wedding Crashers where you have a gay character with no redeeming > features and whose purpose is to provide "you’re a homo!" gags. Or all > the "I know you’re gay because" stuff in 40 Year Old Virgin. > It’s not that homosexuality is being poked fun at, it’s that it seems > like most often it is fun entirely as a stereotype with no intelligence > or sympathy. It’s like now if there is a gay character in something it’s > always a stock stereotype, and not someone who’s gay among other stuff. > It also might be my imagination, in other internet places I’ve been, it > seems like there isn’t any serious opposition to people calling each > other faggot and such, where I think there used to be quite a bit 10 > years ago. (This ould be an indication of the internet being more like > the mainstream though.) > For why (if it’s even true) there is a bit of a depressing rise in > religious fundamentalism, around this half of the world anyway. It could > be related to that. Perspective of course is that pretty recently (was > it in the 1970s?) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder that > required treatment or medication according to DSM.
Hi William, i agree with you but i don’t think it’s entirely the straight media’s fault. So many guys in the gay community act just like the stereotype that it makes me cringe. William, While it’s nice to see your posts again as they are always well written i wonder what your real reason was for coming back here. Aren’t things going well for you? tom
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -William wrote… > It’s just an intuition. An example would be in recent movies like > Wedding Crashers where you have a gay character with no redeeming > features and whose purpose is to provide "you’re a homo!" gags. Or all > the "I know you’re gay because" stuff in 40 Year Old Virgin. > It’s not that homosexuality is being poked fun at, it’s that it seems > like most often it is fun entirely as a stereotype with no intelligence > or sympathy. It’s like now if there is a gay character in something it’s > always a stock stereotype, and not someone who’s gay among other stuff. > It also might be my imagination, in other internet places I’ve been, it > seems like there isn’t any serious opposition to people calling each > other faggot and such, where I think there used to be quite a bit 10 > years ago. (This ould be an indication of the internet being more like > the mainstream though.) > For why (if it’s even true) there is a bit of a depressing rise in > religious fundamentalism, around this half of the world anyway. It could > be related to that. Perspective of course is that pretty recently (was > it in the 1970s?) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder that > required treatment or medication according to DSM.
Perhaps some of it is partly because homosexuals feel more accepted/’safer’, and are less sensitive now about such things, hence less likely to make a fuss? The change is that there _are_ quite many openly gay characters though. Perhaps it’s that they are ‘accepted but not loved’? I’d say there’s been a popular backlash towards PC stuff in general. The internet with its lack of censorship helps, of course.
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"Xile" <cos…@marihuana.ro> wrote in news:1125080181.276895.16390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: >> Homophobia is on the rise in popular culture, I think. > Don’t think so.. it’s just that people are less concious about talking > about it, especially on the net. And more threatend by it (will > explain).
I don’t get the feeling that people are less conscious about talking about it. Compared to the 1970’s, yeah. Compared to 10-15 years ago I’m not sure. It seems to me like homosexuality in pop culture now is kind of like the "Blaxploitation" stuff from the 70’s, where you have characters and scenarios that are supposed to funny because they’re black, and with nothing deeper than that. Later on, you had stuff like the Cosby Show and Fresh Prince of Bel Air, where the "blackness" is a fundamental part of it but it’s less about hey, that guy talks funny, listens to funny music and has funny hair. I thought I saw some of that treatment of it back in the 80’s and early 90’s. I wonder if something like Kids in the Hall could exist right now and if people would still think it was funny. Is there something like that right now in popular culture? I’ll admit I’m totally out of the loop. Another example would be the Ellen Degeneres thing. At the time, the mood about that seemed pretty supportive, and now she’s solely a punchline, and there’s no respect involved. > I’m sure well over 50% of the population is to some extent > "homophobic" – and by it i mean primarily fear not hate of – (anyone > who is bothered/insulted by the possiblity of being labeled gay here > is, imo), so it’s not abnormal, it’s just to what extent > media/education is able to control the public’s stance on the issue. > As groups try to push homosexualy on an equality level with sexuality > (legally/socially), they’ll hit a brick wall. Because people’s > tolerance to homosexuality is not based on "it’s normal" (many people > including me, why not be frank, don’t think that),
It quite obviously is normal. I’m not going to bother debating that, so we’re both just going to have to agree that you’re wrong here. (It’s possible that homophobia is normal too in the sense of an innate distrust, but I don’t know.) > but on "it’s their > buisness and dosen’t hurt anyone". > But people’s position on heterosexuality, and society’s > protection/legal rights of such couples is based on the need to > reproduce/protect/raise children, and ultimatly survival of the > species (even if that’s not always conscious).
It’s not really about that. It’s a common justification, but that’s all it is. Nobody is campaigning to eliminate marriage for infertile women, or couples who have no plans for children, although those would make equally good sense. People are interested in "protecting" their children from being gay, that’s true. There’s also a very strong sense that because it’s a sin in the Bible, it is a Christian duty to be intolerant. (This attitude isn’t totally about the Bible, because there is clearly a lot of stuff in there that nobody cares about, but it’s another good justification.) I think the biggest reason of all is basic sexual puritanism. Some of that is innate. Really though, defending policies because they do or don’t go along with genetic or cultural instinct just seems so absolutely stupid to me. Acting on genetic instinct leads to the stone age. > So it’s natural that > people as a group will have a very strong reaction to percieved > threats to that. Two total different things – so it’s no wonder the > more groups try to push "equality" between straight and gay couples > (legally / with respect to their "right" to raise children, etc..), > the more this changes people’s opinion on homosexuality’s harmlesess, > and will trigger this society’s defense mechanism that is ultimately > homophobia – people’s natural "alarm bells" go off. (ofc when they do > in someone’s that crazy and don’t use reason, they’re going to do > crazy things, but homophobia in itself is not crazy not even abnormal) > People call it homophobia to use it as a persuasion weapon, but a > phobia is really a fear that *hurts the one that has it* in some way, > upsets his normal ability to function, like Social Phobia for > example.. which is not the case.
So if you want to put homophobia in a category with xenophobia, I’m not going to argue with that. It makes great genetic sense to object to people who compete with us and look very different from raising children (or from existing, for that matter.) Whether something is natural or not is a really crappy foundation for whether it is a good idea. This is so painfully obvious that I’m not interested in debating it at all, but clearly very few people get this point. The secular cases against gay rights are extremely weak, from what I’ve seen. For instance, I don’t think you could actually demonstrate that babies adopted by gay couples are worse off then if they had been left in foster care systems.
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"fallout" <fallo…@comcast.net> wrote in news:MuGdnSoG1MRP9pLeRVn-tg@comcast.com: > Hi William, i agree with you but i don’t think it’s entirely the > straight media’s fault. So many guys in the gay community act just > like the stereotype that it makes me cringe. > William, While it’s nice to see your posts again as they are always > well written i wonder what your real reason was for coming back here. > Aren’t things going well for you?
Hi Tom, I wouldn’t agree that my posts are all well written. But I’m a pretty quick witted troll I have to admit. Things are going fine for me. I don’t think I have any shyness issues that I care about right now. I’m at a point where I vaguely feel like I should grow up, and on one level would really like to solve the other major issue in my life besides shyness/women, which is procrastination and productivity. But overall I’m pretty content (mostly). I’ll leave this place as soon as it leads to things like over-emotional reactions, anger, depression, frustration and internet relay chat.
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"void *" <void*@nullpointer> wrote in news:hPmdnZ2dnZ0TX8_ 5nZ2dnY0qkt6dnZ2dRVnyoZ2d…@pipex.net: > "William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:Xns96BE87F68AD53willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… >> It also might be my imagination, in other internet places I’ve been, it >> seems like there isn’t any serious opposition to people calling each >> other faggot and such > Stop hanging out in CS forums!
u gay ass n00b i did yo mommma last night! g3t sum skillz & stop whining pussy! — "But," he added, "I think it’s also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life." George The-Buck-Stops-Elsewhere Bush.
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"Xile" <cos…@marihuana.ro> wrote in news:1125080181.276895.16390 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > But people’s position on heterosexuality, and society’s > protection/legal rights of such couples is based on the need to > reproduce/protect/raise children, and ultimatly survival of the species > (even if that’s not always conscious). So it’s natural that people as a > group will have a very strong reaction to percieved threats to that.
Total wank. — "But," he added, "I think it’s also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life." George The-Buck-Stops-Elsewhere Bush.
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i’ve never seen you w/ a man, you must be a lesbo… & you are the alternative? h
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"Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> in news:1125027267.103446.249230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: >"I’ve never seen you with a woman. Are you gay?" >"I’ve never seen you read a book. Are you illiterate?"
or… "i’ve never seen you come up with a plausible question. are you always so wrong?"
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"William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96BF2E87C1C82willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… > "void *" <void*@nullpointer> wrote in > news:q5KdnZ2dnZ35qVTKnZ2dnTeCjd6dnZ2dRVnyq52dnZ0@pipex.net: > > "William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:Xns96BEE4DD38D8willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… > > > I don’t understand. You’re pointing me toward linear expulsions of > > > proto-stellar gas? > > Oh, has the link goofed? > > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/b85171e56b81e0 > > 65 > You’re link is okay I’m just dropping some fairly advanced ass science.
Oh of course, the handle! Gosh my brain must be getting slow(er), I heard a joke yesterday which took me aaagggeeesss to get: Q: Why do Marxists drink herb tea? A: Because property is theft.
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"void *" <void*@nullpointer> wrote in news:tqydnRwDsLC5uo3eRVnyjA@pipex.net: >> You’re link is okay I’m just dropping some fairly advanced ass >> science. > Oh of course, the handle! Gosh my brain must be getting slow(er), I > heard a joke yesterday which took me aaagggeeesss to get: > Q: Why do Marxists drink herb tea? > A: Because property is theft.
Hah, good one! That took me about 5 minutes.
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"void *" <void*@nullpointer> wrote in news:q5KdnZ2dnZ35qVTKnZ2dnTeCjd6dnZ2dRVnyq52dnZ0@pipex.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:Xns96BEE4DD38D8willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… >> "void *" <void*@nullpointer> wrote in >> news:LvednZ2dnZ31JuCVnZ2dnbAqkt6dnZ2dRVny3Z2dnZ0@pipex.net: >> > "William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> > news:Xns96BEBEAAAEEA8willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… >> > > Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in >> > > news:Xns96BEB2EE09877lrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6: >> > > > Although I never quit my job to be on IRC, I did pretend to be >> > > > a woman (and some poor schmuck’s girlfriend) on there for long >> > > > enough I started having dreams where I was a woman, so maybe >> > > > we’re even. >> > > > (I only wish I was joking about this.) >> > > (Meg is that you??!?) >> > > Did I ever meet you on IRC? You sure know a lot more about me >> > > than I know about you. >> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q12A24FAB >> I don’t understand. You’re pointing me toward linear expulsions of >> proto-stellar gas? > Oh, has the link goofed? > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/b85171e56b81e0 > 65
You’re link is okay I’m just dropping some fairly advanced ass science.
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"William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96BEE4DD38D8willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "void *" <void*@nullpointer> wrote in > news:LvednZ2dnZ31JuCVnZ2dnbAqkt6dnZ2dRVny3Z2dnZ0@pipex.net: > > "William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:Xns96BEBEAAAEEA8willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… > > > Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in > > > news:Xns96BEB2EE09877lrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6: > > > > Although I never quit my job to be on IRC, I did pretend to be a > > > > woman (and some poor schmuck’s girlfriend) on there for long enough > > > > I started having dreams where I was a woman, so maybe we’re even. > > > > (I only wish I was joking about this.) > > > (Meg is that you??!?) > > > Did I ever meet you on IRC? You sure know a lot more about me than I > > > know about you. > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q12A24FAB > I don’t understand. You’re pointing me toward linear expulsions of > proto-stellar gas?
Oh, has the link goofed? http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.shyness/msg/b85171e56b81…
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William P <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:Xns96BEBEAAAEEA8willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in > news:Xns96BEB2EE09877lrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6: >>> I’ll leave this place as soon as it leads to things like >>> over-emotional reactions, anger, depression, frustration and >>> internet relay chat. >> Although I never quit my job to be on IRC, I did pretend to be a >> woman (and some poor schmuck’s girlfriend) on there for long enough I >> started having dreams where I was a woman, so maybe we’re even. >> (I only wish I was joking about this.) > (Meg is that you??!?) > Did I ever meet you on IRC? You sure know a lot more about me than I > know about you.
Hint: M.U.L.E.
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"void *" <void*@nullpointer> wrote in news:LvednZ2dnZ31JuCVnZ2dnbAqkt6dnZ2dRVny3Z2dnZ0@pipex.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:Xns96BEBEAAAEEA8willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… >> Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in >> news:Xns96BEB2EE09877lrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6: >> > Although I never quit my job to be on IRC, I did pretend to be a >> > woman (and some poor schmuck’s girlfriend) on there for long enough >> > I started having dreams where I was a woman, so maybe we’re even. >> > (I only wish I was joking about this.) >> (Meg is that you??!?) >> Did I ever meet you on IRC? You sure know a lot more about me than I >> know about you. > http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q12A24FAB
I don’t understand. You’re pointing me toward linear expulsions of proto-stellar gas?
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"William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96BEBEAAAEEA8willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… > Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in > news:Xns96BEB2EE09877lrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6: > > Although I never quit my job to be on IRC, I did pretend to be a woman > > (and some poor schmuck’s girlfriend) on there for long enough I > > started having dreams where I was a woman, so maybe we’re even. > > (I only wish I was joking about this.) > (Meg is that you??!?) > Did I ever meet you on IRC? You sure know a lot more about me than I know > about you.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q12A24FAB
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Lash Rambo <l…@fakeaddr.com> wrote in news:Xns96BEB2EE09877lrfakeaddrcom@68.1.17.6: >> I’ll leave this place as soon as it leads to things like >> over-emotional reactions, anger, depression, frustration and internet >> relay chat. > Although I never quit my job to be on IRC, I did pretend to be a woman > (and some poor schmuck’s girlfriend) on there for long enough I > started having dreams where I was a woman, so maybe we’re even. > (I only wish I was joking about this.)
(Meg is that you??!?) Did I ever meet you on IRC? You sure know a lot more about me than I know about you.
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"William P" <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns96BE87F68AD53willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170… > It also might be my imagination, in other internet places I’ve been, it > seems like there isn’t any serious opposition to people calling each > other faggot and such
Stop hanging out in CS forums!
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"Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125027267.103446.249230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com… > "I’ve never seen you with a woman. Are you gay?" > "I’ve never seen you read a book. Are you illiterate?"
or how about: "I’ve never seen you with a woman. Are you gay?" "No, but I do get a thrill from anally raping people who insult me – Now, where did I put my knife?"
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William P <willd…@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:Xns96BEB14D8D210willdotpsympaticodot@204.153.244.170: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "fallout" <fallo…@comcast.net> wrote in > news:MuGdnSoG1MRP9pLeRVn-tg@comcast.com: >> Hi William, i agree with you but i don’t think it’s entirely the >> straight media’s fault. So many guys in the gay community act just >> like the stereotype that it makes me cringe. >> William, While it’s nice to see your posts again as they are always >> well written i wonder what your real reason was for coming back here. >> Aren’t things going well for you? > Hi Tom, I wouldn’t agree that my posts are all well written. But I’m > a pretty quick witted troll I have to admit. Things are going fine > for me. I don’t think I have any shyness issues that I care about > right now. > I’m at a point where I vaguely feel like I should grow up, and on one > level would really like to solve the other major issue in my life > besides shyness/women, which is procrastination and productivity. But > overall I’m pretty content (mostly). > I’ll leave this place as soon as it leads to things like > over-emotional reactions, anger, depression, frustration and internet > relay chat.
Although I never quit my job to be on IRC, I did pretend to be a woman (and some poor schmuck’s girlfriend) on there for long enough I started having dreams where I was a woman, so maybe we’re even. (I only wish I was joking about this.)